Pointless

I don’t normally write about political issues, but this whole cartoon business is becoming a horrible mess, and thanks to Roseg I just found this blog post by Burningbird that pretty much sums up what I think about the whole thing:

We seem to believe that any form of censorship is inevitably evil. Yet we censor our speech every day. I don’t tell the overweight woman in the checkout line that the twinkies she’s buying are harmful; I don’t get into a battle at work with the co-worker who wants to hang a cross in his or her cubicle, not because I don’t have beliefs of my own, but because I pick my battles and I make them work. I practice some self-control.

I just don’t see the point of the media republishing and republishing these cartoons. Is this all media freedom is about – publishing stupid, not-very-well-drawn work that we know is highly offensive to some members of our community? (I’d take real freedom of the press any day – the media not being tied to big business interests – but that’s a different story.) This seems to me to be the equivalent of primary school playground behaviour: “Nyah nyah you don’t like me to poke you so I will keep poking you, nyaaaaaaah nyah!”

What point are we trying to make by constantly inflaming the situation? Some people in Australia seem to take the warning by an Australian Muslim leader that the republication of these cartoons would cause anger among Muslims here, as a challenge and an affront to “our freedoms” – what about seeing it in terms of not wanting to cause hurt and offense to people in our community? (I keep saying our community, because we have a sizeable Muslim population in our country, and they are our neighbours, colleagues, friends, family.) We can’t just keep using the whole ‘freedom of speech’ argument to justify ourselves saying anything and everything we want to – with freedom comes responsibility, and with actions come consequences.

Mooiness has been following the developments, and makes some good points, and if you really have no idea how a Muslim might potentially feel when s/he sees such cartoons, Israd sums it up quite eloquently.

I’m under no illusions that we all agree with each other, but I like to think we can respect each others’ differences when talking about issues like this. And I will happily avoid saying things that I know are guaranteed to hurt or offend. This doesn’t mean I can’t say anything; if I say something unknowingly that offends someone then I will apologise. How can we live together if we can’t be polite and respect each other?

Update 8:45pm: This post, and this issue, has given M and me a topic for lively debate.

M commented (reposted here with his permission for easy reading):
I have little patience with religious fundamentalists. I understand the need for tolerance but that usually ends when the individuals I am asked to tolerate wont tolerate anyone or anything else.

“Flemming Rose, the cultural editor of Jyllands-Posten, commissioned twelve cartoonists to draw them and published the cartoons in response to the difficulty that Danish writer KÃ¥re Bluitgen had finding artists to illustrate his children’s book about Muhammad, because the artists feared violent attacks by extremist Muslims.” From Wikipedia.

So basically what’s happenned is that the Islamic extremism has got so bad in a *non-islamic country* that no-one, not even someone seeking to paint a fair story is willing to risk themselves to educate others.

The cartoons were aimed squarely at the extremists and I say good on em for publishing them.

My response:
I don’t actually have a problem with the initial publishing of the cartoons, but I don’t see the point in them being republished over and over in other newspapers, when it’s already caused such a furore. Surely the point has been made. And now that we know that some Muslims are going to react violently, what is the point of provoking them some more? And even Muslims who are non-violent, who would never dream of burning down buildings in anger, may be offended and wondering why their religion is being attacked on, and on, and on. I just don’t think it’s a skillful thing to do, is all.

M said further:
From reading the wikipedia article it would appear that the other newspapers aren’t just going along for the publicity. From what I can gather the other newspapers are reacting to the huge amount of anger and threats mounted by Islamic governments against the Danish government. Basically the other newspapers are doing it as a protest to the global extremist (re)action thats arisen out of the initial internal Danish protest.

I do understand your point though. I may be inclined even to agree that the subsequent publishings of the cartoons are inflamatory and not necessary for proper engagement between the cultures. I would most definately argue though that the other newspapers should protest against the extremist threats and anger to the initial publishings. The extremist action was not just not from individuals but by governments.

This was conducted over email (it was a slow afternoon) and we continued discussing the issue some more when we got home from work. I accept M’s point that it’s important to stand up against extremism and fundamentalism, but I still don’t accept that it’s right to inflame an already bad situation, all in the name of press freedom. We can choose to use our freedoms in many ways.

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9 Comments

cherryripe 6 February 2006

I hadn’t thought of it from that persepective before now (i.e. self-censorship), but it does make sense. You know how there are people in this world for whom the outlook is glass half empty, and others for whom it is half full? I reckon there are also people for whom this sort of situation incites them to pick up a sharp stick and stab, poke, stir (unnecessarily, some might say); whilst there are others who prefer to let things settle. I’m in the middle. Some people may criticise that as apathy or taking the easy way out, but increasingly i’m of the view that we should live and let live and refrain from doing something just because we can, especially if the results cause hurt to another person or group of people.

m 7 February 2006

I have little patience with religious fundamentalists. I understand the need for tolerance but that usually ends when the individuals I am asked to tolerate wont tolerate anyone or anything else.

“Flemming Rose, the cultural editor of Jyllands-Posten, commissioned twelve cartoonists to draw them and published the cartoons in response to the difficulty that Danish writer KÃ¥re Bluitgen had finding artists to illustrate his children’s book about Muhammad, because the artists feared violent attacks by extremist Muslims.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_cartoon

So basically whats happenned is that the Islamic extremism has got so bad in a *non-islamic* that no-one, not even someone seeking to paint a fair story is willing to risk themselves to educate others.

The cartoons were aimed squarely at the extremists and I say good on em for publishing them.

m 7 February 2006

> in a *non-islamic* that

should read

in a *non-islamic* country that

Anonymous 7 February 2006

Thanks for posting that. I really do think that freedom of speech ought to extend to blasphemy. It is meaningless unless it protects speech about the most important things – such as religion. On the other hand, are we as fanatical about free speech as they are about Islam? If so, is that a bad thing – or one of the necessary compromises which we need to live in a religiously diverse world? *sigh* I certainly don’t have the answers.

CW 7 February 2006

Hi Cherry, that’s what I keep coming back to, the fact that such actions hurt very ordinary people. (I’m not counting fanatics who will be offended by anything non-believers do or say, regardless.)

Hi anonymous, I’d be suspicious of anyone who claimed they had the answers 🙂 I wish people could sit down and talk to each other and try to see the other’s point of view. Am I a hopeless idealist?

Israd 7 February 2006

I think the Muslims should learn from how Rasulullah (peace be upon him) reacted to insults. He was always forgiving. There have been many cases in the early years of Islam when he faced insult and abuse.

In one example, it has been reported that excrements were once thrown at him while he was performing salat (prayers) in front of the Holy Mosque.

If only we could read more about how Rasulullah (saw) conducted his life and act in the same manner.

CW 7 February 2006

Hi Israd, I agree some people need to calm down and stop reacting so violently. Violence just obscures and complicates things and can have the effect of alienating those who might actually support your cause. *sigh*

Cozalcoatl 7 February 2006

I’ve been having rants inside my head for a while now, and to anyone who sits still long enough 😉
I’m totally offended by the barbaric actions over the last week, but somehow i’ll refrain from acting like a complete fukwit.
The more and more i think about it the more i realise that religion, all religion (i’m tarring everyone with the same brush here) has very little place or use.
Believing in a invisible sky fairy has been holding us back since forever. From the banning of printing the Bible, no less, to stop the common people from thinking, to the Spanish burning the Mayan codexs to Creationism in the science classrooms to burning buildings and calling for murder is all destroying so much potenial.
Ok a secular society isn’t perfect either but at least we can progess science, medicine, technology, human rights, discussion and dissent without the fear of irrational and pointless fearmongering.
The whole thing makes me sad and angry.

CW 8 February 2006

Hi Cozalcoatl, I think I shall out myself (again) as an atheist. I find it sad and amusing that religion, which is supposed to be all about moral discipline, peace and love etc can cause so much hatred and violence. Still, to each his/her own.

I have been pondering the irony of the fact that while I have been defending the right of Muslims to be angry (not to burn and threaten) about the cartoons, the fundamentalists and extremists would not extend the same right to exist to us non-believers… No doubt there are flaws in my arguments, but thanks for reading, and thanks for your comment 🙂